Comments on: What is the conservative alternative solution to carbon emissions? http://london-lez.org/emissions/what-is-the-conservative-alternative-solution-to-carbon-emissions Tue, 22 May 2012 04:15:53 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: martinmagini http://london-lez.org/emissions/what-is-the-conservative-alternative-solution-to-carbon-emissions/comment-page-1#comment-4303 martinmagini Wed, 30 Dec 2009 19:40:59 +0000 http://london-lez.org/emissions/what-is-the-conservative-alternative-solution-to-carbon-emissions#comment-4303 cap & trade will not reduce greenhouse gases. It will just move them around to other parts of the planet. stop forgetting that C02 is not poison. No one seems to be focusing on the loss of our forests. And none of you is realizing that if you increase my fuel bill, I will burn wood for heat. Also, money going to third world countries for green technology will not be used for that...it will just go into the purses of tinpot dictators. Don't you know that?<br><b>References : </b><br> cap & trade will not reduce greenhouse gases. It will just move them around to other parts of the planet. stop forgetting that C02 is not poison.
No one seems to be focusing on the loss of our forests.
And none of you is realizing that if you increase my fuel bill, I will burn wood for heat.
Also, money going to third world countries for green technology will not be used for that…it will just go into the purses of tinpot dictators. Don’t you know that?
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]]> By: David_the_Great http://london-lez.org/emissions/what-is-the-conservative-alternative-solution-to-carbon-emissions/comment-page-1#comment-4302 David_the_Great Wed, 30 Dec 2009 19:27:59 +0000 http://london-lez.org/emissions/what-is-the-conservative-alternative-solution-to-carbon-emissions#comment-4302 Man made global warming is not true. Therefore, there is no need to reduce carbon emissions. DTG<br><b>References : </b><br>A is A Man made global warming is not true. Therefore, there is no need to reduce carbon emissions.

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]]> By: Goth VanHellsing http://london-lez.org/emissions/what-is-the-conservative-alternative-solution-to-carbon-emissions/comment-page-1#comment-4301 Goth VanHellsing Wed, 30 Dec 2009 18:47:59 +0000 http://london-lez.org/emissions/what-is-the-conservative-alternative-solution-to-carbon-emissions#comment-4301 I think the best solution is to let the planet do what it has for 4.5 billion years. Carbon spikes it drops it never stays the same. Somehow the planet self corrects to a global temperature that really is not a drastic change from the norm (within 3DegC). We are not making anything that was not part of this planet for 4.5 billion years the carbon we use comes from earth. Sometimes I think people think we have this magic carbon hat that we can just pull carbon out of from imagination land. We don't have one. Yet somehow with all this extra carbon before life on earth the planet managed to do just fine.<br><b>References : </b><br> I think the best solution is to let the planet do what it has for 4.5 billion years. Carbon spikes it drops it never stays the same. Somehow the planet self corrects to a global temperature that really is not a drastic change from the norm (within 3DegC). We are not making anything that was not part of this planet for 4.5 billion years the carbon we use comes from earth. Sometimes I think people think we have this magic carbon hat that we can just pull carbon out of from imagination land. We don’t have one. Yet somehow with all this extra carbon before life on earth the planet managed to do just fine.
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]]> By: Dan http://london-lez.org/emissions/what-is-the-conservative-alternative-solution-to-carbon-emissions/comment-page-1#comment-4300 Dan Wed, 30 Dec 2009 18:08:59 +0000 http://london-lez.org/emissions/what-is-the-conservative-alternative-solution-to-carbon-emissions#comment-4300 Because I smell the BS a mile away. When global warming or climate change or whatever it's called this week becomes a matter of ecology not politics, then I'll take it seriously. When I see Al Gore and all the mouthpieces from tinsel town ground their private jets and move into log cabins and ride bikes to work the way they want us average joes to do, then I'll take it seriously. One doesn't have to be a republican or conservative to see what this "green" movement is all about. It's not about saving the earth, it's a huge money maker for Al and all his "researchers" and it's a power grab to lead us further into becoming one monolithic global government. Cap and trade will damage our economy, export jobs overseas and will NOT affect the Earth’s climate. So get used to being taxed into poverty and standing in soup lines.<br><b>References : </b><br> Because I smell the BS a mile away.

When global warming or climate change or whatever it’s called this week becomes a matter of ecology not politics, then I’ll take it seriously. When I see Al Gore and all the mouthpieces from tinsel town ground their private jets and move into log cabins and ride bikes to work the way they want us average joes to do, then I’ll take it seriously.

One doesn’t have to be a republican or conservative to see what this "green" movement is all about. It’s not about saving the earth, it’s a huge money maker for Al and all his "researchers" and it’s a power grab to lead us further into becoming one monolithic global government.

Cap and trade will damage our economy, export jobs overseas and will NOT affect the Earth’s climate. So get used to being taxed into poverty and standing in soup lines.
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]]> By: Patient Sailor http://london-lez.org/emissions/what-is-the-conservative-alternative-solution-to-carbon-emissions/comment-page-1#comment-4299 Patient Sailor Wed, 30 Dec 2009 17:44:59 +0000 http://london-lez.org/emissions/what-is-the-conservative-alternative-solution-to-carbon-emissions#comment-4299 Good Grief. Cap and trade REDUCES NOTHING!!!! IT IS A TAX!!!!! Assuming I have swallowed the global warming kool-aid I would do the following. I would offer REWARDS or bounties (not taxes), for inventors who could increase efficiencies by patent. Gas, solar, wind, tidal, insulation, etc. I would give the government first right of refusal on the purchase of said patents with longer patent licenses for those who participate. I would offer (you are going to love this) streamlined regulatory approval for Nuclear power plants. Think "shovel ready". I would begin to bolster our power grid as we are facing huge loss's due to undersized transmission systems. I would immediately drop the so called ethanol subsidy. I would eliminate any ethanol blending mandates. Drill baby drill. Begin construction of tidal generators. Streamline permits, envoke the Corps of Engineers. Even if it hacks off left wing lunatics. Insulation subsidies for home owners. Send millions to our universities to futher clean our already really clean coal resourses. I would partner with private industry instead of taxing them, which really is just a tax on all of us.... Our most abundant resourse is coal, stop being stupid about it. There are a couple right off the top without raising taxes and without penalizing business. Or you could choose the route of the liberal, tax everything, everyone, every second....<br><b>References : </b><br> Good Grief. Cap and trade REDUCES NOTHING!!!! IT IS A TAX!!!!!

Assuming I have swallowed the global warming kool-aid I would do the following.

I would offer REWARDS or bounties (not taxes), for inventors who could increase efficiencies by patent. Gas, solar, wind, tidal, insulation, etc. I would give the government first right of refusal on the purchase of said patents with longer patent licenses for those who participate.

I would offer (you are going to love this) streamlined regulatory approval for Nuclear power plants. Think "shovel ready".

I would begin to bolster our power grid as we are facing huge loss’s due to undersized transmission systems.

I would immediately drop the so called ethanol subsidy. I would eliminate any ethanol blending mandates.

Drill baby drill.

Begin construction of tidal generators. Streamline permits, envoke the Corps of Engineers. Even if it hacks off left wing lunatics.

Insulation subsidies for home owners.

Send millions to our universities to futher clean our already really clean coal resourses. I would partner with private industry instead of taxing them, which really is just a tax on all of us…. Our most abundant resourse is coal, stop being stupid about it.

There are a couple right off the top without raising taxes and without penalizing business. Or you could choose the route of the liberal, tax everything, everyone, every second….
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]]> By: future http://london-lez.org/emissions/what-is-the-conservative-alternative-solution-to-carbon-emissions/comment-page-1#comment-4298 future Wed, 30 Dec 2009 17:37:59 +0000 http://london-lez.org/emissions/what-is-the-conservative-alternative-solution-to-carbon-emissions#comment-4298 Their solution is to have evem MORE carbon emissions but pretend it doesn't matter.<br><b>References : </b><br>To keep Wall Street donating money to the Republican Party. Their solution is to have evem MORE carbon emissions but pretend it doesn’t matter.
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To keep Wall Street donating money to the Republican Party.

]]> By: Bri-lliant C http://london-lez.org/emissions/what-is-the-conservative-alternative-solution-to-carbon-emissions/comment-page-1#comment-4297 Bri-lliant C Wed, 30 Dec 2009 16:48:59 +0000 http://london-lez.org/emissions/what-is-the-conservative-alternative-solution-to-carbon-emissions#comment-4297 Usually they point to "clean coal" (with carbon sequestration) and nuclear power. However, cap and trade is not only opposed by conservatives, and conversely many conservatives support the cap and trade model. Cap and trade literally gives you a legal right to pollute, and puts a price tag (and only a price tag) on breaking the rules. This really is a market solution to a problem, not a regulatory solution. If not done very carefully it can actually lead to MORE pollution, since companies may find it more economical to pollute and trade the cost of the carbon to someone "saving" it. This is how it may lead to more polluting, because it is very difficult to quantify carbon dioxide being "saved" from being put into the atmosphere. If I decide to not drive to work, am I saving CO2? Maybe, or maybe I never planned to drive to work in the first place. As you can see, it may be somewhat straightforward to identify the offenders, but it's not easy to identify those creating a benefit. I don't know if conservatives are championing another approach, but a more effective approach would be creating a law with legal ramifications (beyond pro-rata fines) to install fixed amounts of carbon neutral energy technology with a plan to phase out the carbon intensive ones.<br><b>References : </b><br> Usually they point to "clean coal" (with carbon sequestration) and nuclear power. However, cap and trade is not only opposed by conservatives, and conversely many conservatives support the cap and trade model.

Cap and trade literally gives you a legal right to pollute, and puts a price tag (and only a price tag) on breaking the rules. This really is a market solution to a problem, not a regulatory solution. If not done very carefully it can actually lead to MORE pollution, since companies may find it more economical to pollute and trade the cost of the carbon to someone "saving" it. This is how it may lead to more polluting, because it is very difficult to quantify carbon dioxide being "saved" from being put into the atmosphere. If I decide to not drive to work, am I saving CO2? Maybe, or maybe I never planned to drive to work in the first place. As you can see, it may be somewhat straightforward to identify the offenders, but it’s not easy to identify those creating a benefit.

I don’t know if conservatives are championing another approach, but a more effective approach would be creating a law with legal ramifications (beyond pro-rata fines) to install fixed amounts of carbon neutral energy technology with a plan to phase out the carbon intensive ones.
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]]> By: nononsense http://london-lez.org/emissions/what-is-the-conservative-alternative-solution-to-carbon-emissions/comment-page-1#comment-4296 nononsense Wed, 30 Dec 2009 16:27:59 +0000 http://london-lez.org/emissions/what-is-the-conservative-alternative-solution-to-carbon-emissions#comment-4296 Having liberals to stop exhaling a natural substance, CO2, that is used by plants and trees to create oxygen.<br><b>References : </b><br> Having liberals to stop exhaling a natural substance, CO2, that is used by plants and trees to create oxygen.
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]]> By: LasVegasPasses.com http://london-lez.org/emissions/what-is-the-conservative-alternative-solution-to-carbon-emissions/comment-page-1#comment-4295 LasVegasPasses.com Wed, 30 Dec 2009 16:14:59 +0000 http://london-lez.org/emissions/what-is-the-conservative-alternative-solution-to-carbon-emissions#comment-4295 For one, Nuclear power. There has not been an atomic plant built in the US for more than 30 years; so we are re-commissioning the old ones way past their designed 'expiration dates', rather than embracing the newer technology that is cleaner & safer than ever. This is a recipe for disaster. Remember that Liberals have been the ones blocking them from being built. As far as other sources of energy; believe it or not.. we do want them pursued. All sources; solar, wind, geothermal, hydro, tidal. Yes; we want plug-in hybrid electric autos. This Conservative is on the waiting list for a Chevy Volt when they become available. We want the Government off the backs of the entrepreneurs & innovators that WILL give us the needed the solutions.. not burying them in suffocating regulation. National security via energy independence is very important for conservatives.. which is why we want a REAL energy policy as well... not some BS that accomplishes nothing but enriching Algore & his cronies while the rest of us lose jobs, suffer higher costs of living, and watch manufacturing go overseas where it is done far dirtier than it is here.. only to ship those dirtier products back here via diesel-belching cargo ships. Just because something 'feels' good to you.. doesn't mean it solves any genuine problems. A Republican founded the EPA A Democrat blocked the windmills in Massachusetts. Don't cast labels.. not everyone falls into one whole camp or another.<br><b>References : </b><br> For one, Nuclear power. There has not been an atomic plant built in the US for more than 30 years; so we are re-commissioning the old ones way past their designed ‘expiration dates’, rather than embracing the newer technology that is cleaner & safer than ever. This is a recipe for disaster. Remember that Liberals have been the ones blocking them from being built.

As far as other sources of energy; believe it or not.. we do want them pursued. All sources; solar, wind, geothermal, hydro, tidal. Yes; we want plug-in hybrid electric autos. This Conservative is on the waiting list for a Chevy Volt when they become available. We want the Government off the backs of the entrepreneurs & innovators that WILL give us the needed the solutions.. not burying them in suffocating regulation.

National security via energy independence is very important for conservatives.. which is why we want a REAL energy policy as well… not some BS that accomplishes nothing but enriching Algore & his cronies while the rest of us lose jobs, suffer higher costs of living, and watch manufacturing go overseas where it is done far dirtier than it is here.. only to ship those dirtier products back here via diesel-belching cargo ships.

Just because something ‘feels’ good to you.. doesn’t mean it solves any genuine problems.

A Republican founded the EPA
A Democrat blocked the windmills in Massachusetts.

Don’t cast labels.. not everyone falls into one whole camp or another.
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]]> By: The fed up matthew™ http://london-lez.org/emissions/what-is-the-conservative-alternative-solution-to-carbon-emissions/comment-page-1#comment-4294 The fed up matthew™ Wed, 30 Dec 2009 15:43:59 +0000 http://london-lez.org/emissions/what-is-the-conservative-alternative-solution-to-carbon-emissions#comment-4294 Dennis Kucinich voted against cap and trade because he said it wouldn't reduce emissions just make people buy permits to keep polluting. He's a democrat and admitted this. Unlike Kucinich I believe carbon emissions are not dangerous like other emissions and that is why the EPA never regulated them before.<br><b>References : </b><br> Dennis Kucinich voted against cap and trade because he said it wouldn’t reduce emissions just make people buy permits to keep polluting. He’s a democrat and admitted this.

Unlike Kucinich I believe carbon emissions are not dangerous like other emissions and that is why the EPA never regulated them before.
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