Comments on: How much does it cost to make a zero emission car? http://london-lez.org/cars-emission/how-much-does-it-cost-to-make-a-zero-emission-car Sat, 19 May 2012 15:59:01 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: gremlingts http://london-lez.org/cars-emission/how-much-does-it-cost-to-make-a-zero-emission-car/comment-page-1#comment-4274 gremlingts Fri, 25 Dec 2009 09:38:59 +0000 http://london-lez.org/cars-emission/how-much-does-it-cost-to-make-a-zero-emission-car#comment-4274 I bed to differ, an electric car powered by batteries is essentially "zero emission". Sure, there are some sulfuric fumes, but so miniscule that it won't count. Now, if you charge it off a power grid using coal or diesel fuel, is it "truly" a zero-emission car? Well, yes, because it's not using those fuels directly, and in that vein <sic>, houses are emitting carbon if they use the power grid. Do they? No, they sit on the ground. Just the power company uses the fuel. So a battery powered car is zero emission in use. As for cost? Battery powered vehicles usually cost more, although around the turn of the 1900 century, they were no more expensive than the gas powered models. nowadays, you're looking at $20,000 or more easily, usually 30k easily. I haven't priced one, so you'll have to research them. - The Gremlin Guy - <br><b>References : </b><br>me and reading books I bed to differ, an electric car powered by batteries is essentially "zero emission". Sure, there are some sulfuric fumes, but so miniscule that it won’t count. Now, if you charge it off a power grid using coal or diesel fuel, is it "truly" a zero-emission car? Well, yes, because it’s not using those fuels directly, and in that vein <sic>, houses are emitting carbon if they use the power grid. Do they? No, they sit on the ground. Just the power company uses the fuel. So a battery powered car is zero emission in use.

As for cost? Battery powered vehicles usually cost more, although around the turn of the 1900 century, they were no more expensive than the gas powered models. nowadays, you’re looking at $20,000 or more easily, usually 30k easily. I haven’t priced one, so you’ll have to research them.
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]]> By: Fast Reg http://london-lez.org/cars-emission/how-much-does-it-cost-to-make-a-zero-emission-car/comment-page-1#comment-4273 Fast Reg Fri, 25 Dec 2009 09:24:59 +0000 http://london-lez.org/cars-emission/how-much-does-it-cost-to-make-a-zero-emission-car#comment-4273 Google "Land Yacht" and find out from there. No other vehicle is truly zero emissions. **EDIT** OK, so my answer was perhaps a bit flippant. However, at what point do we say that something with "zero emissions" is "green". Your house may not give off any emissions, but the energy you use at home has been generated at a power plant somewhere that almost certainly gives off emissions. Energy usage at home certainly isn't "green" or "zero emissions" if your grid is supplied by a dirty great coal-fired power plant, even though it might be 50 miles away and you can't see the smoke from the stacks. Likewise, hydrogen fuel cells are not "green" and, because of the way that commercial quantities of hydrogen are produced, will not wean us off our dependency on oil (and how many people thought that it was produced by electrolosis of water...?). All it does is move the emissions and energy input away from the point of use to the point of manufacture. As we see more and more vehicles powered this way the global demand for hydrogen will increase and people will be blinded to the real cost of this form of "green" transportation. What will happen is that people will seize on the so-called "zero emissions" credentials of hydrogen fuel cell cars to assuage their guilt about the environment because all that comes out the exhaust is water vapour and will use them more and more when perhaps their journeys are not essential or could be made by some other means. Quite honestly, I believe that hydrogen fuel cells are a blind alley. In the short-term, the best solution would be a battery-electric vehicle charged from a renewable energy source, such as a wind turbine. The long-term solution is to change people's expectations of personal mobility and their travel patterns.<br><b>References : </b><br> Google "Land Yacht" and find out from there. No other vehicle is truly zero emissions.

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OK, so my answer was perhaps a bit flippant.

However, at what point do we say that something with "zero emissions" is "green". Your house may not give off any emissions, but the energy you use at home has been generated at a power plant somewhere that almost certainly gives off emissions. Energy usage at home certainly isn’t "green" or "zero emissions" if your grid is supplied by a dirty great coal-fired power plant, even though it might be 50 miles away and you can’t see the smoke from the stacks.

Likewise, hydrogen fuel cells are not "green" and, because of the way that commercial quantities of hydrogen are produced, will not wean us off our dependency on oil (and how many people thought that it was produced by electrolosis of water…?). All it does is move the emissions and energy input away from the point of use to the point of manufacture. As we see more and more vehicles powered this way the global demand for hydrogen will increase and people will be blinded to the real cost of this form of "green" transportation. What will happen is that people will seize on the so-called "zero emissions" credentials of hydrogen fuel cell cars to assuage their guilt about the environment because all that comes out the exhaust is water vapour and will use them more and more when perhaps their journeys are not essential or could be made by some other means. Quite honestly, I believe that hydrogen fuel cells are a blind alley.

In the short-term, the best solution would be a battery-electric vehicle charged from a renewable energy source, such as a wind turbine. The long-term solution is to change people’s expectations of personal mobility and their travel patterns.
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